tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6443268110928728533.post5190836876042632085..comments2024-01-11T02:42:22.101+00:00Comments on Artemis: Debunking MozabitesDiogeneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00827839380414245914noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6443268110928728533.post-5402969582932095912011-03-30T15:46:44.901+01:002011-03-30T15:46:44.901+01:00European Jews are among the groups that show up wi...European Jews are among the groups that show up with a Mozabite component in ADMIXTURE studies. Sephardim average a little under 5% and Ashkenazim a little under 2%.Charles Nydorfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16291667302870991631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6443268110928728533.post-74870447500587437352011-03-29T20:29:51.026+01:002011-03-29T20:29:51.026+01:00Another point. Many people are preconditioned by t...Another point. Many people are preconditioned by the American situation. American history is a Neolithic colonization situation and thus can't be extrapolated to very different societies. <br />Agriculturalist slaves in a continent inhabited mostly by foragers, semi-foragers, dying of introduced disease, have a major advantage: agriculture and immunity from disease.<br />In an agricultural North Africa and Middle East with peasants living at the Malthusian limit there is no such advantage. I very much doubt you could reach 10% of the gene pool, when slaves brought over the Sahara desert in caravans, have severe social and economic handicaps and were mostly used for mine and city work, since peasants were plenty had hard lifes and could be exploited easily. There are no records whatsoever of the number of slaves brought over. All estimates are very wild guesses. I would assume it was at any given time a trickle.<br /><br />You can only explain satisfactorily in two ways Subsaharan genes in the region. If they possessed major tech/cultural/genetic advantages over these populations (which may be true for possibly Egyptian derived "East African"). Or if they were already there to start with.Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00827839380414245914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6443268110928728533.post-69003960239476895222011-03-29T20:16:10.106+01:002011-03-29T20:16:10.106+01:00Ancient Canarians (Guanches) weren't part of t...Ancient Canarians (Guanches) weren't part of the Slave trade...<br />They were largely insulated from people from the Continent since several thousand years BP, when they were likely colonized in the Neolithic wave from the Continent. They had limited cultivation of Fertile Crescent crops. Their language was likely in the Berber family.<br /><br />http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/n10/abs/ejhg200946a.html<br /><br />Sub-Saharan African admixture in Berber apparently predates the Slave trade. It is thus likely native, and I venture it might be the pre-Fertile Crescenter forager substrate.Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00827839380414245914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6443268110928728533.post-23880500307199463782011-03-28T23:09:59.112+01:002011-03-28T23:09:59.112+01:00The pastoral Nilo-Saharan Maasai are believed to h...The pastoral Nilo-Saharan Maasai are believed to have origins in the Lake Chad Basin, rather than being deeply ancestral to East Africa.<br /><br />Trans-Saharan slave trade in the last 1500 years or so is fairly well documented and quite sufficient to account for the West African component in North African populations there.<br /><br />The case that there was considerable continuity betweeen epipaleolithic populations and contemporary indigenous populations in Northwest Africa is supported by ancient DNA evidence and physical anthropology.<br /><br />A better East African stalking horse might be the non-Ethio-Semitic population of Ethiopia or the Southern Sudanese. But, there is a lot to be said for saying the Egypt, particularly Upper Egypt (which is less influenced by outside admixture) is its own beast from very ancient times.Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.com